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"Stranger Things" Season 1

I guess when you hear about a tv series from many people, at some point you just have to give up and watch it. dieastra, it would probably last longer if you didn't bring up Sheriff Hopper's resemblance to Sheriff Kowalsky :)

The first season is only eight episodes and I loved the first three or four. The series is good to look at - the shots are carefully planned, the costumes and places take you back to the eighties, the narration is slow and the camera often shows the characters and their reactions, which is great because the actors do a very good performance, even the kids. I was attracted to the story right away. But now after the finale, when I think of the entire story, it feels a bit shallow and unsurprising. I know it was probably the point - I did some reading and know how much the series refers to the movies from the eighties - but one thing is to copy some characters and shots, and the other is to transform them somewhat. I always like when a trope, a line or a shot is not only taken from something else, but creatitively changed, twisted. So the story in "Stranger things" isn't its the best part and because it follows tropes and schemes I recognize despite not seeing that many 80's movies, the last episode was the least interesting one. You just know what you'll see. But I liked the kids, the sheriff, the scenery and the vibe, and after a short break, I'd give season 2 a chance.

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dieastra
Jul. 16th, 2019 07:58 pm (UTC)
LJ says I talked too much... Part 1/2

I'm the same with "Breaking Bad". You hear so much about it, one day I have to sit myself down and watch it. But hey, I just almost 20 years later watched "Band of Brothers" of which I equally only heard the best things. Final nail in the coffin was me enjoying the five parts of "Chernobyl" so much (have you seen that? Incredible. Highly recommended. Especially when you like me are coming from the Eastern side of things) and someone said BoB is also as well made, plus I wanted to see more of Scott "Orville" Grimes, and here I was. Highly recommended, even if you usually don't like war dramas like I. Lots of famous people in it who started their career at the time. Damian Lewis and many more.

But I digress. But since I am digressing anyway, let me digress a little more ;) The question is, is it ripping off or is it an homage? Mean spirited people say the same about "The Orville", for every episode they can tell you the "Star Trek" episode that did it before - but still I think with new actors and new characters comes a new twist into things, plus I haven't seen every single ST episode anyway so it's all new to me.

After having watched an episode of TV, for example "Stranger Things", I like to go to Reddit and read detailed episode discussions and often people point out special things that remind them of other movies and stuff which totally went over my head. So I think if producers and fans have fun inserting and finding these easter eggs, is it really that bad?

I love especially the transgressions (is that the right word?) they sometimes do from one scene to the other. Very inventive.

The kids are absolutely amazing. I hear they have former experience on Broadway, and it shows. Very believeable. You probably remember my action figure of Eleven - this is where I first saw her, and even in this little toy form her intense look came over well and gave me shivers.

The group of them works together so well. And also the older kids, it's funny how originally they had planned for Steve to be the bad guy of the show but then the actor brought so much more to the role and kinda became a hero and fan favotite in the end. And of course Winona Ryder and David Harbour. The hints of them having been high school sweethearts. I love the scenes of them just sharing a quiet smoke.

Hopper also was not expected to become such a fan favorite. The way he starts out, as a loser but once he is on the case and you learn more about his heartbreaking past - awww! When I was in London I went to Forbidden Planet as you do and stumbled about a "Stranger Things" novel that is set in the Seventies, when Hopper still had a wife and kid and lived in New York and goes undercover into a street gang. Very well written, very intense. Loved it from start till end! There is another novel about what happened before with Eleven's Mum and the lab but I hear it is not that good.

The whole series, the actors did not know whether they have something good there or whether it all went wrong. There was not much advertising. Slowly people discovered it and recommended it to others and so it became "this thing".

I also remember a funny comment in the internet when they threw Barb into the pool. People were shocked and thought, her poor cell phone was now wet - and then they realized that she did not have a cell phone. And I guess this is why the show is set in the Eighties, so the kids can roam freely without the parents having an idea what they do all day long. It were different times. I am not nostalgic for that part of the show, as I never was one of those kids, I rather sat at home and read a book ;) So at first I was reluctant to watch the series, as I did not think the nostalgy would work for me - especially if not being from America.

To be continued in part 2/2
dieastra
Jul. 16th, 2019 07:58 pm (UTC)
Part 2/2

I am watching season 3 at the moment, which just came out one week ago. You are lucky that you can continue right away without having to wait for two years in between seasons. It has been a long time for me, everyone was hyped but with the first few episodes I was not yet back in the right mood and it feels off - the kids have grown so much! They're teenagers now with all teenagers problems. They had flashbacks to the first season and then you realize how small they once were. But now I am back in the proper mood, I'm at 4 of 8 episodes. It's really not that much.

Have you ever heard of the TV series "Dark"? It came out at the same time as ST (which means Stranger Things now and not Star Trek, very confusing!) At first people said it was a rip-off but it really isn't. It's also about a small town and a boy going missing and a power plant but that's about it. It's set in three different times and how the past affects the future, which means you have three different actors playing the same character - child, young, old. You have to pay attention who is who and how the families are all connected. It's a lot to remember at first but the more you get into it the more rewarding it becomes.

Season 2 has just come out but I guess I need a refresher course first. There are also pages in the internet that help you with the faces and names of all the people. It's a German series (but written by an American living here so it feels very international). Foreign fans were confused with the English dubbing and preferred watching in German with English subtitles. I wonder if you would like this series better as it surely is very original, I've never seen anything like it.
alumfelga
Jul. 17th, 2019 03:03 pm (UTC)
I'm the same with "Breaking Bad". You hear so much about it, one day I have to sit myself down and watch it.
So, you haven't done it yet? I know I've written it before, but I strongly reccoment that series.
Final nail in the coffin was me enjoying the five parts of "Chernobyl" so much (have you seen that? Incredible. Highly recommended. Especially when you like me are coming from the Eastern side of things)
I have and I agree, "Chernobyl" is an excellent series. The way the story is told, the actors, costumes and scenery, I loved every part of it. I didn't know much about the cause of the explosion and what happened next, all those heroes who helped with dealing with the aftereffects... Wow. And of course, the system. I wonder how a person from the US or Great Britain reacts to everything the government and people in charge did, is it shocking? I was born after the USSR fell, but I know that mentality very well, I get what Diatlow and others were thinking. It's perfectly captured in the series.

Thanks for recommending "Band of Brothers", I have plenty of time at the moment and I'm catching up with books and movies and tv series. For example, I I've finally read the first "Game of Thrones" book, but I'll make an entry about it.

The question is, is it ripping off or is it an homage?
I guess it depends on who you ask. The creators would definitely say it's an homage, as they copied some shots "one to one". But I can't appreciate those visual references, as I don't know those movies well enough to notice them myself. And with the characters and plot points, I feel it's copying. There's nothing original in the story and for example, I can't even see Nancy, Jonathan or Steve as proper characters. You say Steve was planned as a bad character, but making him not-that-bad in the end isn't surprising either.

So I think if producers and fans have fun inserting and finding these easter eggs, is it really that bad?
I'm not saying it's bad, I always support having fun and researching things :) I'm just saying, in that case it's not enough for me to become a fan and I'd like it much more if some elements had been changed, played with.

The kids are absolutely amazing. I hear they have former experience on Broadway, and it shows.
Oh, I didn't know it. It explains a lot.

I also remember a funny comment in the internet when they threw Barb into the pool. People were shocked and thought, her poor cell phone was now wet - and then they realized that she did not have a cell phone.
Oh, that's all right, then ;)

And I guess this is why the show is set in the Eighties, so the kids can roam freely without the parents having an idea what they do all day long. It were different times.
I guess there are parents now who have no idea what their kids do despite them having a cell phone, but in most cases, yes. When I was a kid in the 90's, the playgrounds weren't fenced, you'd play with kids you didn't know and the parents would shout your name through the window to call you for dinner :) Now it's all about safety, don't go outside the playground, don't talk to strangers, call the parents with any small business. Is it overreacting?

So at first I was reluctant to watch the series, as I did not think the nostalgy would work for me - especially if not being from America.
Yeah, but we all know America, right? We know how you spend Halloween, we know that school football team leaders date queens of cheerleaders, we know what 4th of July is... It feels more familiar to me than the reality in Polish 70's movies - I still often ask my parents about things I don't understand. So maybe it doesn't matter if we're from America or not, as we know enough from the movies to feel the nostalgia.

You are lucky that you can continue right away without having to wait for two years in between seasons.
I know, I can wait as long - or as short - as I want. But I have to stay away from spoilers. I'd love to see the kids getting older and can't wait to see them. Eleven is my favourite, I think.

Have you ever heard of the TV series "Dark"?
I haven't but you got my attention :)
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<i>I'm the same with "Breaking Bad". You hear so much about it, one day I have to sit myself down and watch it.</i>
So, you haven't done it yet? I know I've written it before, but I strongly reccoment that series.
<i>Final nail in the coffin was me enjoying the five parts of "Chernobyl" so much (have you seen that? Incredible. Highly recommended. Especially when you like me are coming from the Eastern side of things)</i>
I have and I agree, "Chernobyl" is an excellent series. The way the story is told, the actors, costumes and scenery, I loved every part of it. I didn't know much about the cause of the explosion and what happened next, all those heroes who helped with dealing with the aftereffects... Wow. And of course, the system. I wonder how a person from the US or Great Britain reacts to everything the government and people in charge did, is it shocking? I was born after the USSR fell, but I know that mentality very well, I get what Diatlow and others were thinking. It's perfectly captured in the series.

Thanks for recommending "Band of Brothers", I have plenty of time at the moment and I'm catching up with books and movies and tv series. For example, I I've finally read the first "Game of Thrones" book, but I'll make an entry about it.

<i>The question is, is it ripping off or is it an homage?</i>
I guess it depends on who you ask. The creators would definitely say it's an homage, as they copied some shots "one to one". But I can't appreciate those visual references, as I don't know those movies well enough to notice them myself. And with the characters and plot points, I feel it's copying. There's nothing original in the story and for example, I can't even see Nancy, Jonathan or Steve as proper characters. You say Steve was planned as a bad character, but making him not-that-bad in the end isn't surprising either.

<i>So I think if producers and fans have fun inserting and finding these easter eggs, is it really that bad?</i>
I'm not saying it's bad, I always support having fun and researching things :) I'm just saying, in that case it's not enough for me to become a fan and I'd like it much more if some elements had been changed, played with.

<i>The kids are absolutely amazing. I hear they have former experience on Broadway, and it shows.</i>
Oh, I didn't know it. It explains a lot.

<i>I also remember a funny comment in the internet when they threw Barb into the pool. People were shocked and thought, her poor cell phone was now wet - and then they realized that she did not have a cell phone.</i>
Oh, that's all right, then ;)

<i>And I guess this is why the show is set in the Eighties, so the kids can roam freely without the parents having an idea what they do all day long. It were different times. </i>
I guess there are parents now who have no idea what their kids do despite them having a cell phone, but in most cases, yes. When I was a kid in the 90's, the playgrounds weren't fenced, you'd play with kids you didn't know and the parents would shout your name through the window to call you for dinner :) Now it's all about safety, don't go outside the playground, don't talk to strangers, call the parents with any small business. Is it overreacting?

<i>So at first I was reluctant to watch the series, as I did not think the nostalgy would work for me - especially if not being from America.</i>
Yeah, but we all know America, right? We know how you spend Halloween, we know that school football team leaders date queens of cheerleaders, we know what 4th of July is... It feels more familiar to me than the reality in Polish 70's movies - I still often ask my parents about things I don't understand. So maybe it doesn't matter if we're from America or not, as we know enough from the movies to feel the nostalgia.

<i>You are lucky that you can continue right away without having to wait for two years in between seasons.</i>
I know, I can wait as long - or as short - as I want. But I have to stay away from spoilers. I'd love to see the kids getting older and can't wait to see them. Eleven is my favourite, I think.

<i>Have you ever heard of the TV series "Dark"?</i>
I haven't but you got my attention :) <writes it on the "to watch" list>

dieastra
Jul. 17th, 2019 08:29 pm (UTC)
Of course I am too long again... sorry!

Reply part 1/2:

Uh, looks like you broke something there! And now that I am commenting you can't fix it.

Yes, I remember you writing about "Breaking Bad". Let me quickly lay out why I can't watch it right now ;)
I am still a huge fan of "Call the Midwife" which I recommend to everyone so whenever new episodes of that come out, they are an immediate watch. Also there are new episodes of "Victoria" (already) and "The Crown" (soon). During the past days I watched the second season of "Harrow" and soon there will be new "Liar", both with Ioan Gruffudd, whom I know from "Forever" and if you haven't seen that, I also want to recommend it!

Then there was a time where I did not watch anything else than the same "Orville" episodes again and again. And spent whole nights at youtube watching Seth singing and in talk shows. Thankfully that has died down a little now ;) I need to finish season 3 of "Stranger Things", I also need to finish "Good Omens" yet. Which has somehow got me into the mood that I finally will watch "Jessica Jones", at least the David Tennant episodes. And probably I should catch up with more of what he did during the past years, he has fallen off the side with me a bit I must admit. At least I have been listening to his podcast. Mmhhh, that voice gets me every time.

I also still need to watch Matt Bomer's "Last Tycon" series and I hear Karl Urban soon will have a new series out, so if I am a dedicated fan I might have to watch that... Currently I am also watching "The Loudest Voice" all because of Seth MacFarlane. It's a 7 episode miniseries with Russell Crowe as as Roger Ailes who is the founder of Fox News and there is also a Me too scandal with him and women in there somehow. Apparently political series about real people are my new thing!

I haven't even finished watching all the movies with Sean Pertwee, plus I want to see more of David Harbour (did you see my picture with him?). People recommend a series called "Newsroom" which sounds just like my thing. Somehow in between all that I also have started with the series "Sliders" from the Nineties, as there was so much talk about it in the Orville forum that I got curious enough. I even consider watching Scott Grimes' "Emergency Room" episodes, it has come to that. Even worse, I am considering doing a rewatch of "Party of Five". I do remember absolutely loving this series and he was one of the teenagers. But it will be like six season of 20+ episodes...

Speaking of rewatches, I ought to do a "Doctor Who" rewatch, it has been so long and I have totally fallen out of the mood. I haven't even finished the last Capaldi season. There was a time where my biggest wish was getting a Jack Harkness figure in 1:6 scale but it has been years since we first saw pictures and now I don't even care about it anymore. Isn't that sad? If it ever comes out I probably will get it anyway, just to complete the collection, but clearly my love has shifted somewhere else.

I also need to watch many more episodes of the third Doctor yet.
I'd love to do a "Stargate" and "Star Trek" rewatch as well for the same reasons. I won't even touch all the other "Star Trek" series, it's just too much. That's why I love that I can be at the start of a new fandom with "Orville" instead of catching up 50+ years.

When it was on German TV I also enjoyed "Big little lies" (with Nicole Kidman and Resse Witherspoon) so might want to catch season 2 of that if I find time. I also have a few "Black Mirror" episodes yet ahead of me from seasons 4 and 5, plus the last two seasons of "The Americans". And with all that, stuff like "Chernobyl" or "Bodyguard" is coming from the sideways as well. Plus after "Band of Brothers", now I also want to do a "Homeland" rewatch for Damian Lewis, plus I never saw his other series "Life" so now might be a good time to start...

To be continued in reply part 2/2
dieastra
Jul. 17th, 2019 08:29 pm (UTC)
Reply part 2/2:

And as if I did not have enough guys to juggle already, I kinda have fallen for Mark Wahlberg now as well. I first saw him in the two "Ted" movies by Seth, plus that movie where he is a hero cop in the bombing of the Boston marathon. I stumbled about it on TV and really liked him in there. Again a movie about real events. I even watched the two "Transformers" movies he was in, now that was a low for me ;)

So, I hope I made my point? LOL One day. Maybe if I stop going to work and eating and sleeping.

"Chernobyl" was an absolute masterclass. Every one of those actors nailed it. And the writing was so good, it never felt as if they explain stuff to each other they already know, yet it was easy to follow. Most of it is very accurate, they took some liberties, like the explanations at the trial in the fifth episode did not happen, and the female main scientist is made up too. But other than that it is very accurate. I read reviews of people living in Soviet Union at the time, and they spotted so many small details, stuff in the background in the kitchen, the Kiev plates at the cars...

I learnt so much. I knew about the men on the roof and that the robots failed, but there was so much more. We are all nuclear plant experts now it seems! And I know the names, people I did not know before. Like Dyatlov and Akimov and Legasov and of course Ignatenko, the fireman. I loved especially that head miner "no shit" guy.

I hope it wins all the awards, it deserves it. Speaking of awards, "Orville" was yesterday nominated for an Emmy in Special Effects. There is no chance for them to win, being up against bigger stuff like "Game of Thrones" but nominating already made them very happy as they are much smaller with less budget. You never said if you watched the second season? There are some episodes in there that I really, really like. They have grown up in season 2.

"Band of Brothers" is just 10 episodes, if I had known that I would have watched it much earlier. I thought it was several seasons. All the characters and events are true as well (with some liberties of course). How they fight their way through France, Belgium, Holland... I won't pretend I understood all the military slang, and it is a lot of characters and names to keep apart (they all look alike in those uniforms) but the longer you watch the more you are familiar with them, really getting to know them. You are close when they are sitting in the fox holes, grenades hailing down on them. What brought really home to me what a waste this war was. A waste of lives and a waste of money. Really a shame. They are all so young! Life ahead of them. And of course the generals are sitting way behind where it's safe and give their orders. Let's talk about once you've seen it! I'm sure you will have need to talk.

And look up that IMDB list, all those famous names. Sometimes very small roles so easy to miss. Neal McDonough is someone I know from several things and he has a bigger role. I tried to find Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy who I both know from the X-Men movies. Simon Pegg is in there as well... Jamie Bamber, Tom Hardy, Kirk Acevedo... and lots more that I probably don't even know.

Oh, I didn't know it. It explains a lot.

Don't remember what the others did but Caleb, the black kid, apparently was Simba in "The Lion King". I'd say that's pretty big! Some of them (the kid playing Mike, and also Eleven) also already have done other acting jobs in the past year. They will go places.

There is actually an action figure of Barb. I did not buy it. I have no idea what I would do with her. Apparently there was this huge "Justice for Barb" movement with the first season, as she was kinda forgotten and nobody cared for her. Hey, now that you know everyone, do you want to look at my action figure pictures? Here's my list, I have a few already! https://dieastra.livejournal.com/305898.html

It was the same with little David Mazouz as Bruce Wayne in "Gotham". We saw him grow up over 5 years. If I go back now and watch the first seasons, he looks so small and cute! Shame they can't stay like that forever. Now he is the same size as Sean!
alumfelga
Jul. 21st, 2019 04:20 pm (UTC)
Uh, looks like you broke something there! And now that I am commenting you can't fix it.

Yeah, thanks fot that :D At least my comment is readable, so it's not that bad.

I want to watch Victoria season 3, too and I'm too waiting for the Crown. There's not a premiere date yet, is it?

Which has somehow got me into the mood that I finally will watch "Jessica Jones", at least the David Tennant episodes.
Yay! I don't recommend the second season (not only because David wasn't there), but I was thrilled with the first one.

At least I have been listening to his podcast. Mmhhh, that voice gets me every time.
I need to catch up with the podcast. I only listened to one episode, with Michael Sheen and enjoyed it very much - it was like friends' conversation, not an interview. Casual, but meaningful conversation.

I also still need to watch Matt Bomer's "Last Tycon" series
That reminds me! *adds it to the list* My list is growing and growing, I'm afraid the summer is too short for all of this :) And your list is at least as long as mine!

Fingers crossed for "Chernobyl", I agree they deserve a rain of awards. Yes, we are experts on the topic now :D Did you know there's a podcast about every episode where the writer explains what was true and what wasn't, why he made the choices he made, etc? I only listened to episode 1 for now, but it's very interesting.

I don't think I finished season 1 of "The Orville", I watched most of it, I think, but something else caught my attention and I never came back. I don't think I'll go back in the nearest future, too many things to watch, but it's still on my computer.

Let's talk about once you've seen it! I'm sure you will have need to talk.
Okay! Ten episodes, shouldn't take long.

Thanks for the link to your Stranger Things pictures, now I can properly comment! I just have to ask, are there any spoilers to season 2 there? I wouldn't want to see them. And when it comes to Barb, I forgot about her when I was still watching the series. When they found her, I was like "oh, she was missing, too!".

dieastra
Jul. 22nd, 2019 10:59 am (UTC)
As for DT's podcast, I haven't yet listened to the Michael Sheen one as at the time it came out I had no idea who he was but that's an idea, I should do his next. I listened to Catherine Tate and Olivia Colman though but yeah, need to catch up with more as well.
I wonder if his role in Jessica Jones is what got him the role as Crowley, are they similar? I just saw pieces when I checked whether my episodes were in sync with the subtitles. I had problems with them not fitting, that's why I put off watching so far. But from the glimpses I saw, it looks actually good.

Yes, I read on Reddit about the Chernobyl podcast but that is another thing that needs to go at the list. Since people were discussing all the facts in the threads I feel as if I already know everything but still it will be nice to hear it from the creator himself. He must be over the moon with all those fan reactions.

Shame for you and Orville, you're really missing out big time :( The last two episodes of season 1 are among my favorites. In 11 Ed finds out that it was Kelly who got him the job as Captain, and all his insecurities whether he even deserves it flare up. Some great scenes between those two.
And in episode 12 Kelly helps a little girl on a simple planet with advanced tech and then they worship her as goddess and the more she tries to fix it the more worse it gets.

I remember you did not like the overly preaching tone of some stuff? What I love and what is the same with Black Mirror, if you don't like one episode you can still try the next and it will be different. Season 2 has some wonderful episodes with characters falling in love and the struggles with their differences (won't go deeper into spoilers but I really loved those). Those that want space battles don't like the character episodes but I love them. Also Gordon who I did not like at first has really grown on me this year and become one of my favorites. So I still hope one day you will come back to it. Please keep the light on. Can't you pick and choose, read the episode guide and see what interests you? Or do you want me to do recommendations? News from Comic Con is that season 3 is moving to Hulu now, we are not sure if that is for the better or not.

So I checked my Stranger Things picture list and there is indeed one with spoilers. Most are harmless stuff like Hopper drinking beer or the kids getting a dog or celebrating Halloween but one is a specific scene from episode 2 season 2. Once you've seen that you are good to go. Also one of the introduction posts at the bottom has some special outfits the boys wore for Halloween.

Season 3 got me some ideas though so don't take too long with that ;) Now THERE I will be curious of your thoughts. As I have mixed feelings.
alumfelga
Jul. 29th, 2019 09:24 pm (UTC)
I wonder if his role in Jessica Jones is what got him the role as Crowley, are they similar?
I wouldn't say they're similar. If I was to compare Crowley to other TD's roles, I'd say he's Tenth Doctor with a splash of Peter Vincent. How does that sound? ;) Kilgrave is an actual bad person, not a baddie we are rooting for. David is brilliant there, but the writing is just excellent.

I wonder if the creators of "Chernobyl" expected that it would be THAT well received and often spoken of. I heard it's "the new Game of Throne" - a show everyone knows and speaks of.

Don't tell me I quitted "The Orville" in the worst possible moment! When I was watching Doctor Who for the first time, I didn't like the episodes with the Slitheen, so I just skipped next few episodes and watched Steven Moffat's episodes, as I heard they were good. Later I watched the episodes I skipped and loved "Dalek" and "Father's Day" :)
Can't you pick and choose, read the episode guide and see what interests you?
I don't know if I would know after a description. Maybe to start an episode, watch few minutes and then decide would be a better option for me. I'm not shutting the door then, but my watchlist is long now so I won't be coming back to that at the moment.

Thanks for the info about Stranger Things, I finished season 2 today so not only I'm safe now, but I should understand more :) I'll write an entry about ST, but in general, I liked it!
dieastra
Jul. 29th, 2019 10:23 pm (UTC)
LJ should raise their character limit
part 1/2 - again *sigh*

There are lists out there, telling new fans who don't want to commit to watch full Star Trek seasons which are the best episodes to watch. Five best of each season. I always am wary of such lists. While there are episodes everyone agrees are the best (we had those in Doctor Who as well) and while there also episodes where everyone agrees that they are abysmal (TOS season 3 has a few of them but then they also had cut their budget so they had to make do) there is a lot of in between and so many different opinions. Often I like those that nobody else likes and vice versa.

And I think one needs to watch all to get the full picture. Only you can decide what you like and what you don't. Opinions also differ between guys and girls. One week there might be the big space battle, the other week a quiet character episode. You never know what you will get when you sit down and switch on the TV. All I can say is that I truly love every single one Orville episode. Some more, some less and there is one in season 2 where while we appreciate what they tried to do the execution could have been better and they went unnecessary violent, but there is not one that I hate and never will watch again like I had in other shows.

I also love every single character. I don't even mind if one episode is mainly about one character, as it is still a fascinating watch. I'm so much smitten that I scare myself!
In Stargate, when there was a Teal'c centric episode, I was so bored with all the Jaffa politics. I watched them once and that's it. Here I even like the politics when a lot of people were all sitting in one room doing big speeches. This could be so boring but they managed to make even that interesting. So yeah, I'm in for the long haul.

So in the end I always like to trust my own judgement. I would say there are three stages ;)
1. I only watch for a certain actor and skip the rest as it is so boring.
2. It is actually interesting enough that I feel entertained and not bored, but I am not a fully commited fan yet.
3. Something happens and all of a sudden I want to read all the fanfictions, start to write my own, buy every book and merchandise that is out there.

On top of that it also needs to be the right time! Last year when I watched season 1 of Orville, I was in stage 2. I liked it enough to keep coming back each week, but once it was over my attention turned elsewhere and it was forgotten. I still was fully in Gotham mood. I even had checked out Seth's singing a bit and dismissed it as in my (then) opinion swing should be a bit more upbeat, the way that makes me - well, swing along. While he seems to prefer the sad ballads. Only now I have come to appreciate to learn about so many songs by Frank Sinatra that I did not know before and of course I bought all the CDs and spent entire nights at youtube watching performances of the last 20 years. Just like I did when I first found John Barrowman.

And only with the fourth episode of season 2 I suddenly, hardly and totally unexpectedly fell into category 3 (they got me with whumping, they always do) You know how that is, you are heart and souls into this new show and want to tell everyone about it. Please forgive me ;)

So I hope I can give you hope that if you continue watching you will fall for it one day as well, and then go back and watch the others again and again and again like I did. But I know I can't force you and it is your decision and I probably should shut up now. In the meantime, we have other shows to talk about!

With every show I am a really dedicated fan of I can tell some exact moments where it hits me. Where you literally get the butterflies in the belly. I think it was second or third Torchwood episode where all five of them get out of the car and then walk towards a crime scene in SLOW MOTION and leather jackets and coats are flowing in the wind. Blew me away.
dieastra
Jul. 29th, 2019 10:23 pm (UTC)
part 2/2 - again (*sigh*)

I also had a similar reaction at the end of episode 2x01 of Stranger Things, when Hopper gets home and suddenly Eleven is there. I may have audibly gasped. As I immediately realized what it means for him, to have a daughter again and it seemed totally logical and round. Him cooking meals made me feel warm and tingly. Do you also have such strong reactions?

I have a friend who lived in Kiev at the time. I tried to get her to watch Chernobyl but she says it is hitting too close to home. I guess I'll have to accept that but she really misses out on some great TV. Maybe one day, who knows.

When I started to watch Doctor Who I watched the first 2 seasons and then stopped. Years later after I had gotten into Torchwood I read that Jack also was in more Doctor Who episodes. So I only watched those until finally being back in the fandom enough to watch the rest in order. Sadly with recent seasons it became a "I'll have to watch this" without any enthusiasm for a while now and I immediately forgot what I have seen after I watched. Not good. As Richard Dean Anderson once famously said: If it's not fun it's not worth doing anymore. So I still haven't seen Capaldi's final season and only the pilot of Jodi (my brother keeps telling me there is an episode with bubble wrap so now they also make us afraid of THAT? Great). One day. Maybe the re-watch will get me back into the right mood.

At the moment, I am deeply immersed into season 3 of Victoria. I always like to read other people's opinions and a lot are frustrated with this season, as apparently it plays very loose with historical accuracy. One should see it more as a soap opera with real people. Still it's interesting to learn about what really happened and what was made up. Like in Chernobyl.

alumfelga
Jul. 30th, 2019 09:45 am (UTC)
They do should raise the character limit. We're talking here, we need space!

Often I like those that nobody else likes and vice versa.
I agree, and I don't usually read those "best episodes" or "worst episodes" lists. I've read some about Doctor Who and I was surprised to see some of my favourite episodes on the "worst episodes" list. Everyone has their own opinion.

I recognize the stages ;) To me, one of things that make a difference between watching something as a casual viewer and watching something as a fan is full attention. I like Stranger Things or new Doctor Who episodes, but I check my Facebook from time to time when I'm watching it, or send a text, or talk to someone. As a fan, when I'm watching, I'm watching. I want to see every expressions from the actors, all details, dive into the story. And of course there are emotional reactions. I cried when the Tenth Doctor regenerated, and I rarely cry because of movies.

Something happens and all of a sudden I want to read all the fanfictions, start to write my own, buy every book and merchandise that is out there
I love that you wrote "something happens". I can't explain that either and for me, it seems that there is no rule for when it happens (it might be episode three, it might be season two) or what genre it is, or if it's a tv series or a movie. It's so unpredictable! It just happens. I only know that there is always one fandom at a time that's most important to me and I have the strongest feelings about it, and it takes about two-three years to cool down, and then something else can take its place as #1. That was a case with Sherlock, Doctor Who, and now I'm at GF Darwin's phase.

Which reminds me - we still have to wait for the new Sheriff's episode, but I think you might like their newest thing :) Jan and Helena play a couple again, and this time they have kids and a new car. It has a "Black Mirror" vibe (and English subtitles). Here's the link:
https://youtu.be/MEoZRsSDcgI

On Monday, I'm going to Warsaw to see Jan in a theatre play. He's playing Socrates - a modern version. It's such a good play, about questioning things and living your life instead of only existing. I've seen it once and was so moved, I knew I had to see it again.

You know how that is, you are heart and souls into this new show and want to tell everyone about it. Please forgive me ;)
*looks above* I certainly do!

With every show I am a really dedicated fan of I can tell some exact moments where it hits me. Where you literally get the butterflies in the belly.
Me too!

Do you also have such strong reactions?
With Stranger Things, my stronger emotional reaction was the ball in the last episode of season 2. I remembered Mike talking about it in season 1 and I loved that there was no mention about it in the entire season, and then there it is - and warms your heart. It was a special moment.

There is an episode with bubble wrap, yes. One of the better ones of season 11, I'd say. I can't say I'm a super fan either of Capaldi episodes or the new ones with Jodie (although I love her as the Doctor), so I'm not going to try to talk you into watching :) In a right mood, why not.

I think you're right about Victoria not being a historical drama, but a costume soap opera. It's weird some people watched two seasons and didn't notice ;D

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